UESPWiki:Archive/CP Tamriel Namespace Moving

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Tamriel Namespace Moving

The move to the new Lore namespace is finally under way.

This is currently in progress, so until the process is complete, please:

• Do not rename any Tamriel or Lore articles (bots are going to assume that before-move name is the same as after-move name, and that assumption has to hold until after all the links are fixed)
• Do not attempt to fix any Tamriel or Lore articles that appear in Double Redirects (the bots should be fixing all of these; if any are missed by the bot, then the bot operator needs to know about it to update the bot code, and will probably want to test the updates on the existing problem case).
• Any new articles that need to be created should be created in Lore and only in Lore. But first make sure that no Tamriel article with same name exists. If there's a Tamriel article, edit that article instead of creating a Lore article.
• Standard edits to Lore/Tamriel articles can still be made.

–Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The move is now complete. There's still checking to be done, but these restrictions no longer apply. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:31, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Update 1

The move phase is now complete - all required pages have been moved to the new Lore namespace. I've manually updated the templates that mention Tamriel (except Template:Tam - which probably wants deleting at some point) and I'm going to wait until the job queue drops to something more sensible than its current 14,670 before starting the relinking process (unless NepheleBot wants to step in first). –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:04, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

One thing I've just noticed is that there are a few pages like Tamriel:Suran and Tamriel:Silt Strider that aren't going to get recreated in the Lore namespace at the moment. The reason is that they are just redirects out of Tamriel into the gamespace (both Morrowind in this case). I'd like to suggest that we do not fix these by creating new Lore redirects. In general, I do not believe Lore should be redirecting to gamespace; rather, Lore should contain a generic article about the item and then should be transcluded into the game page where more detail can be added. Of course, if others have sound objections to that idea... –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 09:47, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I'd agree that in general we don't want redirects from Tamriel/Lore articles to other namespaces, especially in cases such as Tamriel:Suran where the page is an orphaned redirect. Also both of those examples were created nearly two years ago, back when the site had far fewer features than nowadays to help readers and editors find articles. So even if they once were useful, I don't think they are any more. At some point we'll need to fix any links to those articles, and it might be good to get a list of such articles just to make sure nothing has been overlooked. But I'd say both of those are low priorities and can wait until the rest of the move is finalized. --Nephele^Talk 20:13, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Tamriel (continent)

Okay, I've noticed that I've sort of broken that first rule by creating the Lore:Tamriel page, but I left the Lore:Tamriel (continent) redirect in place, so the bots shouldn't have a problem with that. At any rate, all links to either Lore:Tamriel or Lore:Main Page are going to have to be manually reviewed after the relinking is done, because it would be impossible for a bot to decide which page is more appropriate in each case. Hope this didn't throw a wrench in anything, but it seemed it was the appropriate time to do this. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:58, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes... I'd deliberately left the continent page in place, but I'm sure the bots will deal with it. I would strongly advise against doing any moving around at the moment. There's enough going on in the job queue without confusing the site further. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:02, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I already undid the Tamriel (continent) move. By default every link to Tamriel:Tamriel is going to be changed by the bots into a link to Lore:Tamriel. Which means hundreds of links that say "see the [[Tamriel:Tamriel|Tamriel]] namespace" are going to become links to Lore:Tamriel. Readers are going to be really confused if that takes them to a page that doesn't contain navigational information for the entire namespace. I think the best thing to do with Tamriel:Tamriel type links is to work towards changing them into links to either Lore:Main_Page or Lore:Tamriel_(continent) to make it clear that the link has been examined and someone has determined what page is most appropriate. Once we have essentially eliminated all Tamriel:Tamriel (or Lore:Tamriel) links, then I think we can safely move Tamriel (continent) to be the only Tamriel article, and at that point bots can easily remove "(continent)" from all of the links. --Nephele^Talk 10:42, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Onto the Cleanup

It's been nearly six months since the great namespace move. The Original Plan was to add a notice to each Tamriel page indicating that it's now out of date. Is everybody still okay with this? –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:22, 28 January 2009 (EST)

The notice I'm planning to add is this:

This page was moved to Lore:16 Accords of Madness at the end of July 2008. It is being flagged now to allow external links to be updated. It will be flagged for deletion in early August 2009 and deleted about a week after that. If there is a link to this page that cannot be adjusted, remove this notice and the page will not be marked for deletion.

If there are no objections, I'll be doing this on Wednesday 4, a week after my first post. Let me know if there are any suggestions for alternative wording. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:30, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Done. See you again in August 2009! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 05:40, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Update 2

There are still some pages linking to Lore:Tamriel, but almost all of them are archive pages. If anybody feels they need relinking, the list is here. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:33, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Probably should, because if Lore:Tamriel (continent) ultimately gets moved to Lore:Tamriel, then the links in those archive pages won't make any sense. They should be changed with discretion, of course, because some of them may be more appropriate to link to the continent article than the main page. I know there's a "don't edit archive pages" rule, but I think it should be suspended in the case of correcting links, otherwise there's not much point in keeping the archives if their links don't make any sense. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:55, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

It already says at the top of every archive page (at least every archive page using the Archive Header, e.g., UESPWiki:Community Portal/Archive 1 or UESPWiki:Archive/CP Biographies?): "Do not edit the contents of this page, except for maintenance such as updating links." What else are you suggesting is needed? --Nephele^Talk 11:18, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Me? I was just suggesting that the links should be updated by a human, rather than a bot, because some of them should point to Lore:Main Page and others should point to Lore:Tamriel (continent). That's all I meant by "discretion". --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:48, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

(Outdent) Can we make Lore a default selection for searches, like Tamriel was? Driving me nuts ;) --Benould^•T•C 11:53, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

You can do that in your Preferences. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:34, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks rpeh, that helps ;) Although Lore should still be included in the default searches, like Tamriel was. --Benould^•T•C 16:00, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Lore is being included in default searches, the exact same way that Tamriel was. Every custom reference to Tamriel in our PHP code has been replaced by a reference to Lore; Daveh installed the new PHP over the weekend. I tested and everything seemed to be working properly. For example, doing Go Vvardenfell when on an Oblivion page took me straight to Lore:Vvardenfell (not to a Tamriel redirect). --Nephele^Talk 17:03, 4 August 2008 (EDT)