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== Previewing ==

You're doing really good stuff on the Lore pages, but please could you use Show Preview a bit more? Six edits to Lore:Torval, three to Lore:Psijic Order, three to Lore:Aurbis, ten to Lore:Camonna Tong... it makes it really difficult to see what's actually been changed and to patrol things properly. I don't want to discourage you, and I know I've often made an edit only to think "Oops" or "Damn - I meant to mention this other thing too", but it's becoming the rule rather than the exception. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 07:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about that, rpeh! Don't worry, constructive criticism doesn't discourage me! I tend to be very forgetful and near-scatterbrained, as is shown by this and countless other mistakes I've made in these past two months. Anyways, I'll try and keep that as a note (maybe write such a reminder post-it note and put on my monitor, or something like that).--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 07:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC) EDIT: It was actually ''eleven'' edits to the Camonna Tong page. *cringes* That's got to change.
::I'm just going to pre-emptively promise to do the same, since I'm guilty as well; seems like every change I make takes two or three edits total.[[User:Minor Edits|Minor Edits]] 07:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks :) Yes, you've been doing it too, but it was the Camonna Tong one that made me post.
:::You two are both doing such fantastic stuff - everything I ever wanted to do on the Lore pages and so much more - that I hate to criticise, but a little more previewing would be a ''big'' help. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 07:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the advice!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 16:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
::::As an update, I made sure to include a script in monobook.js that forces me to Preview before saving. Ah, the beauties of JavaScript!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 08:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

Hey Kalis. I saw that you added your userpage to [[:Category:Semi Protection]]. I've reverted this, on the grounds that the page isn't actually semi-protected. If you want to semi-protect your page, you could ask on the [[UESPWiki:Administrator Noticeboard|admin noticeboard]]. Otherwise the category could cause confusion. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 18:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
:Hey, Legoless. No problem; I was actually just testing HotCat. It was the first thing that popped into my head.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 19:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

== Noinclude ==

Just a quick heads up: remember to take a look at those <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> tags when adding the province images. Otherwise they end up being transcluded on the places list, or even on the game article (in Morrowind's case). Anyway, good work so far! [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 08:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:Wow... that actually explains that one... ah nevermind that. :D Anyways, thanks for the heads up; glad I didn't do more "damage" (for lack of a better word) than I did. I think I'll continue this in a few hours; for now I need some sleep.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 08:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

:: No worries. I'll go through and try to fix them later. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 08:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

== Go Blades ==

This is why I don't like OOG lore... I can't find this book in my Arena game files. Now it's quite possible that it's in one of the compressed files that a simple content search won't scan, but even if it's a deprecated part of Arena, it should probably be flagged up as {{tl|OOG}}: content that was removed from a game is Out-of-game pretty much by definition. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 20:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yesterday, I looked for it in the Arena game files as well and couldn't find it anywhere. That text was actually the main "plot", per se, of the original TESArena (where you would have gone around fighting in Arenas). That's all that remains of the early Arena plot talked about in interviews with Tod Howard and other developers at Bethesda. It was later taken out of the game, so I'll go ahead and start marking those as {{tl|OOG}}.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 21:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

:: I was wondering whether to count them as OOG sources or not. We don't list things like the Ironwood tree from Oblivion as "out-of-game", even though its name can only be seen in the CS or in the data files. I didn't think the names of gladiator teams were so controversial as to need such a label, but I suppose the names were part of a pre-release idea for the game and using them as undeniable sources would be similar to treating Sutch as a real city. If others think they should be changed I won't have any problems with it. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 21:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

::: The Go Blades is definitely OOG, but the bigger question is: is it even Lore? As the TIL article notes, it's a pretty inauspicious start for the Blades if it's true!
::: I recall during the whole Lore fracas that exactly this kind of question came to the fore. Some people claimed that the existence of a longer version of a book (I really can't remember which - something to do with the Dragon Break?) meant it should be included because the intention was to add more information. My position was that the intention was that the full version was ''wrong'', and that the shortened version was included deliberately to stop certain information being canon. (I just reread this and it makes no sense but I want to go to bed and can't reword it right now)
::: OOG means Out Of Game, which means that anything not explicitly defined in the games or their supporting material (PGE, etc) is less reliable. My real problem with TIL starts when they claim something comes from game files, but nobody else seems to be able to verify that.
::: OOG lore is worth mentioning. Stuff removed from the games is sometimes worth mentioning ''on the game pages''. Stuff that was in a game but was removed and appears nowhere else... my personal vote is to not include it. [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 22:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

:::: Well, like the <nowiki>{{OOG}}</nowiki> template says, I think the "unofficial" stuff is useful to give the article a "rounder background". After all, that's what a wiki is for, is it not? Recording all information on a subject. I don't feel something needs to be 100% verified in one of the games to be put on the relevant lore article, especially considering the amount of (for lack or a better term) "TIC lore" available. If we neglect that side of the series, why bother having a lore section at all if we could just stick to games and books? When I look up Blackrose on the wiki I want to find out about every detail available about the city.
:::: Obviously there will be exceptions like the "Where Were You When the Dragon Broke?" book (which I've never read myself, but I better look into). Incorrect facts (such as timeline inconsistencies and the spelling of So'''u'''lstheim) still deserve to be noted. As for that crap about the Blades being gladiators: it has no real base. 'Blades' is a pretty uncreative name, especially for a fighting team. While The Imperial Library might do things differently than us, it's a good host. While the fact that no one can find the Arena text file themselves is slightly worrying, I doubt TIC would make up weird stuff like that (although I could be wrong). But I digress. I don't think there's anything directly wrong with the Arena texts or the current out-of-game referencing, which is the topic at hand. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 23:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

::::: In response to what Legoless said about the Blades, Todd Howard touches on the subject briefly [http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/13/road-to-skyrim-the-todd-howard-interview.aspx here]. In the "Road to Skyrim" video, he says that the name "the Blades" ''did'' comes from the gladiatorial team in Dune. When I added it to Dune, I was careful with the subject, making sure to clarify that they were not necessarily the same thing, but that they ''could'' have been.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 03:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::: Hm, that's interesting. In any case, it should only be present as a note on the bottom of [[Lore:Dune]] and [[Lore:Blades]] indicating the connection. In lore terms, the Emperor's Blades were founded by captured Akaviri who pledged to protect Reman Cyrodiil. Definitely note a team of gladiators from the fourth century of the Third Era. [[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 11:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

== The Howling Halls ==

Hey Kalis! Since you joined the SIRP and you’re into Lore, I thought I’d share these two interesting dialogue bits with you; both of them concerns [[Lore:People_P#Pelagius_Septim_III|Pelagius Septim III]] and reveals that the [[Shivering:The Howling Halls|The Howling Halls]] is actually the very temple where Pelagius died. This is what you get when asking the inhabitants about the Howling Halls.

''Hundreds of years ago, this very building once served as a temple in Cyrodiil that sought to "cure" the mad. It was in this temple that Emperor Pelagius was taken during his madness. After his death in these very halls, the temple was destroyed. We stole the stones from Cyrodiil and reassembled the temple here in the Shivering Isles.''

[[Shivering:Ra'kheran|Ra'kheran]]: ''A lot of history has this place. It was I who led the apostles to steal the stones from Cyrodiil when the original temple was destroyed. We rebuilt it here, as it was when it hosted its most famous guest. Sometimes at night, I can still hear Emperor Pelagius screaming.''

It is definitely worth mentioning, but I’m not very good with Lore-pages, so I’ll leave it to you. ☺ --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 08:41, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:Thanks, Krusty! I'll go ahead and start working on adding that info Pelagius' page. If we don't half a Howling Halls pages in Lore, then I'll create that as well. I look forward to working on the SIRP.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 08:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:: No problem - I thought it was an interesting part of history and couldn't find it anywhere on the Wiki. I also think The Howling Halls deserve a Lore-page, not only because of Pelagius, but because of what [[Shivering:Ciirta|Ciirta]] did later on. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 08:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:::Alright, I've added the info to Pelagius' page. Now on to the Howling Halls.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 09:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:::: Looks good! You should be able to find all available information on Ciirta and Ra'kheran's pages. Maybe [[Shivering:Apostle|this page]] too. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 09:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

::::: Thanks! Well, [[Lore:Howling Halls|here]] is the new Lore page for the Halls. Hope I got everything!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 09:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::: Good work! While I'm unsure about the light business of the Apostle gang, Ciirta's motivations was her disappointment when she, during the last Greymarch, found an empty throne in the Palace; as she managed to survive, she deemed Sheogorath a false god and decided to free the Isles from him, gathering her own personal army, blinding them with visions of light when all she wanted was to take out Sheogorath. Something like that, at least - see, there's a reason I stay away from Lore! -- [[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 09:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

::::::: I added the info on Ciirta's motivations and the Apostles. Hope I didn't ramble. Thanks for you help, Krusty!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 10:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::::: You didn't ramble, but I'm a little confused how 'during the last Greymarch', she went into the throne room and decided the god was false...and then, 'during the next Greymarch', she led the Apostles. There's a next after the last? --[[User:Somercy|Somercy]] 10:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

{{od}} My apologies; by "last" I meant "previous". I forgot that the Third Era Greymarch literally was the very last. I reworded the article for clarity. Thanks for pointing that out.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 10:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

== Sections ==

These two sections have been produced by the same IP, but they were unaware that they did not have to start new sections to ask questions, therefore I think they should be combined. --Manic 20:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm well I'm not an expert on this, but considering it was the SAME IP (something I missed), I suppose the sections could be combined. Sorry about that.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 20:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

:: Don't worry about it mate. The IP user is not used to the website and needed to be informed. Whoever they are they keep forgetting to sign as well so its not your fault.--Manic

== More Shivering Isles Lore? ==

Hey Kalis! Inspired by the work you did on the Howling Halls Lore-page, me and [[User:SerCenKing|SerC]] recently discussed whether or not it would be possible to make Lore pages for other interesting places in the Isles? A few of them have really good background stories, and we really cant fit all that into the OPRP format. A place like [[Shivering:Cann|Cann]] is a good example; [[Shivering:Vitharn|Vitharn]] is even better. What do you think? --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 23:40, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

: Hey, Krusty! Sorry for the late response. I think that would be possible. Legoless and Rpeh had a brief exchange [[User talk:Legoless/Arc 2011b#Lore Redlinks|here]] about SI Lore pages; a consensus was never reached on places (only about people) but at least we know that there is some, if only a little, interest in SI Lore on the site. I myself was somewhat inspired by your idea for the Howling Halls, and have been playing SI and taking notes excessively this week. I have a few pages of notes at this point, most of them on the features and history of Vitharn and Cylarne (although I have not been to Cann since around a month after the DLC was released, so I should probably check that out today or tomorrow). All in all, I am mostly ready to create Shivering Isles Lore pages.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 01:15, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

:: Yes, Vitharn is certainly in need of a lore page. I've been meaning to get around to adding a "Notable Places" section to [[Lore:The Shivering Isles]] similar to the Tamrielic province pages, so if you're up to the challenge Kalis please go right ahead. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 01:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

::: Alright then. I'll start drafting a page.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 01:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

::::EDIT: Alright, the page is done, and I put it on the Places page.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 06:26, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

::::: It is really, really good! It will make a very valuable tool when we get to the redesign of the rather confusing [[Shivering:Vitharn|Vitharn]] page. Thanks a lot! I know a place like Cann is a lot harder (and sicker), but I'm really looking forward to what you can make out of the few [[Shivering:Notes#Cann_Notes|notes]] found in Cann. Truly disturbing stuff! --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 06:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::: Thanks, Krusty! It only took citing Fall of Vitharn 14 times! The book was really valuable. After I take a look at those notes, I'll go ahead and get to work on a Cann page; I think I've got another hour or so on here.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 06:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::EDIT: The page is done. You can view it [[Lore:Cann|here]].--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 07:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::: Great stuff! Nice and sick, just like the Shivering Isles! :D Now, I think we should add SI-stuff in need of a Lore article to the [[UESPWiki:Shivering_Isles_Redesign_Project|SIRP]]-page, just to keep track and get some background info nailed. Its not a ton of pages, but they're definitely needed to tell some of the odd tales of the Isles. I'll go ahead and ask SerC to set it up as a Category - maybe with you as "leader"? --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:49, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

{{od}} Thanks! Sadly, there's not very much about Cann, or at least not as much as there is on Vitharn. Anyway, as for the SIRP proposal, sounds good! I've been meaning to add it to my LPRP draft, but I think your idea would work much better considering we already have contributors on that project. And I'd love to be the Leader of the category! I've got plenty of time to do SI Lore. We should probably start making a list of SI people/places needing a Lore page. I know Legoless wanted to do Dyus and Haskill.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 07:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

:: Supercool! I'll let SerC know and we'll set it up as an entry on the SIRP page. We have a few redlinks on the [[Lore:Shivering Isles|Lore:Shivering Isles]] page for NPC Lore pages as well as a handful of interesting dungeons, like Cann. If you (or Lego) have any suggestions, just post them here or on SerC's talk. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 08:04, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

::: Alright, will do Krusty. We've taken one more step towards making the Lore namespace a manageable space!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 08:08, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== In fact... ==

{{cookie|...you need something to chew on to avoid insanity in the Isles! Also, for your magnificent work all over, especially the Lore pages! May it last for the longest time! :) --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 07:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)}}

:Thanks, Krusty! I just happened to refresh the Recent Changes and saw this, so rest assured that I am at work on the Cann page. In fact, it's almost done. I managed to squeeze three paragraphs of info out of the Notes as well as the events of SI. And it looks like the Madgod was right: cheese for no one. :D [[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 07:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== SI Lore ==

Hey Kalis! For starters, thanks for taking on the Lore section of the SIRP, you're doing a great job! I just wanted to let you know that I would be very grateful if you could put Fain and Ebrocca at the top of your to-do list. Basically, I'm planning to write up their SI pages, so having the Lore pages already up and running would make it much easier. So yeah, this is totally me acting like the boss and making you slave around, but hey, I'm the project leader! ;)

PS - on a serious note, thanks for all the work you've doing around here, in general, it's been truly excellent :) --[[User:SerCenKing|SerCenKing]] [[User talk:SerCenKing|Talk]] 13:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

:Hey, SerC! It's been pretty fun slaving around the Isles for more Lore ;) I'll go ahead and take care of Fain and Ebrocca today, oh glorious leader! And on a serious note from me, thanks for the thanks! I've made it a goal of mine to clean up the Lore namespace before Skyrim comes out. And hopefully we can get this project finished before everyone evaporates from the wiki and becomes obsessed with Skyrim!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 21:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

:: I'm not sure, but should [[Shivering:Scroll_(Fain)|this]] be referenced on the Fain page as well? --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 22:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

::: I missed that one the first time around. Thanks for pointing that out, Krusty; I've added it to the page.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 23:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

:::: No worries! The link on the place page was wrong and it wasn't really referenced anywhere. I'll see if I can clean that up tomorrow. Good work, btw!--[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 23:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

{{od}} Hi Kalis. Nice work pumping out all these lore articles! Just thought I'd let you know that I'm planning to work on '''Lore:Mazken'''. It'll be a pretty big undertaking considering the combined Battlespire and Shivering Isles loyalties, and I'd hate to have to overwrite any of your work when I'm finished. It'll be in one of my sandboxes if you're interested in helping out, but it shouldn't take to long to get it out into lore space if you'd rather wait. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 18:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

:Hey, Legoless. I'll go ahead and check the page out and see what I can do.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 00:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

:: Hey Kalis! I just read through the Relmyna Verenim Lore-page and I was wondering if [[Shivering:Letter_to_Sheogorath|this]] should be referenced? --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 16:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

::: Alright, I've added it. Thanks for mentioning it to me. :D [[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 04:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== Be careful... ==

Be careful about calling edits such as [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Oblivion:Tutorial&diff=next&oldid=685487 this] nonsense. He just changed the image... '''''[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|(talk)]]''''' 02:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:I would also recommend removing the inappropriate warning you gave him. '''''[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|(talk)]]''''' 02:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:: Actually, the image seemed fine before. His image was a better resolution but also didn't fit the page (widescreen type resolution). I don't think there was much help in adding it. --[[User:Pickle|Pickle]] 02:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:::You're right, it doesn't fit the preferred 4:3 ratio; however, we shouldn't call it nonsense. '''''[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|(talk)]]''''' 02:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. It was my bad; sorry! I've removed the warning.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 02:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Brellach Lore ==

I fixed a spelling error, but quickly noticed you had repeated it. Anyway, before we clog up the history page, I have to mention that there are some grammar inconsistencies as well. And in particular "was the home", is I believe incorrect, as I'm pretty sure it still is, though I can't find the right way to rephrase it (has been as of the third era? or something like that). Apart from that, good work on all those lore pages, but I get the impression because of what I noticed that you are a bit struggling with the tenses. Just wanted to let you know, so if you can fix those things... :) ~ [[User:Dwarfmp|Dwarfmp]] 04:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:When we write Lore pages, we usually talk in the past tense, although this isn't a written rule. I just realised that I wasn't consistent through the whole article, but I was going off of [[User:Legoless|Legoless]]' additions to the [[Lore:Pinnacle Rock|Pinnacle Rock]], since he's been doing this a lot longer than I have (I'm still trying to gain a complete understanding of a few concepts about the Lore space). Perhaps we should make a discussion topic on the Community Portal?--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 04:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::Things like cities and the like probably shouldn't be referred to in the past tense. It's fine for people, or places such as ruins, as they aren't a constant. I don't think it needs to be standardised, because usually common sense is the only real indicator. As for Brellach, I'd agree with the present tense seeing as how the Aureals' immortality comes into play there. I'll give the article a look-over now. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 15:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::: Done. To clear up one site-wide issue which I encountered on the article: "the Aureal" (singular) should be used when speaking of the clan as a whole, while "Aureals" (plural) should be used when speaking of multiple members. This will need to be cleared up elsewhere, but I thought you might need to know for any further articles mentioning them. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 15:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Alright, thanks! Like I said before, I'm still trying to get a complete grasp on how the wiki (but mainly Lore) works. And that's just one more thing I've learned!--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 19:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Saints and Seducers ==

In reply to your comment [[UESPWiki_talk:Shivering_Isles_Redesign_Project#Lore_Pages_Done.21|here]] (to take the discussion off the project page), I have a first draft of '''Lore:Mazken''' up [[User:Legoless/Sandbox/9|here]]. No references yet, but most of the info is on there. --[[User:Legoless|Legoless]] 14:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

== Bullets? ==

Hey Kalis! Just out of pure interest, how did the “bullets point into the image” on your screen? It was more or less supposed to be like that (bullets just to the right of the image like on [[Shivering:Sickly Bernice|this page]] but if it messes up the layout, I can see the point. I like that image on the left (for a more interesting layout) but I can probably do it without the bullets if needed. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 14:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah that was one my concerns (that the layout would be more dull by me moving it). But it was irritating so I moved the image. If you want to move it back then go ahead. After all, I'm not the one working on it so I didn't know what the intention was. :D [[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 15:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

== IP Editing ==

Hey, just a heads up, I [http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=User:Kalis_Agea/Mods&diff=690314&oldid=690311 reverted] 3 edits made to your mods page by an IP address. If this was you, feel free to revert my revert. --[[User:DKong27|DKong27]] '''[[User_talk:DKong27|Tk]] [[Special:Contributions/DKong27|Ctr]] [[User:DKong27/Email|Em]]''' 00:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Nope, wasn't me. He/she did make some good fixes though, so I'll go ahead and undo your edit with some other change.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 00:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
:EDIT: Nevermind I'll just fix it myself.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 00:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

== Province images for cities ==

Where was the conversation that decided to put the province images for all cities within the said province? I feel that it is rather unnecessary and adds an image just for the sake of adding an image (also, an image that can easily be viewed by by going to the province page). It's also pretty cumbersome for some cities that already have images, such as [[Lore:Skingrad]]. '''''[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|(talk)]]''''' 05:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

:The discussion was [http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore_talk:Shimmerene here]. Though only me and Legoless talked about it, I added the PGE images to the cities of Summerset and waited to see if anyone would have any qualms about me adding said images. No one did, so I proceeded with the rest of the project. I wanted to add them because they made the articles feel more complete. If anyone else thinks them unnecessary and wants them to be removed, then be my guest and remove them.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 18:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

::For now, it's probably in the best format it can be in. I'll think of something here soon to possibly replace it. (I hate the info template currently in place...) '''''[[User:Elliot|Elliot]] [[User_talk:Elliot|(talk)]]''''' 04:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

:::Sounds good, although I may remove one of the images from the Cyrodiil city pages, as it is rather messy.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 04:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

== Where? and How? ==

Thank you but i have two questions. The text for the userboxes in the edit section box is no longer there so where do i put the code? and second, how did you come along my page?{{uns|Oblivionite|22:13, June 9 2011}}

:Hey! Sorry for the late response. You seem to be missing all of the codes. Would you mind if I added it myself? It's dang near impossible to show you the codes... As for how I came across your page, I am and [[UESPWiki:Userpatroller|Userspace Patroller]] here on the Wiki and was "Patrolling" the [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent Changes page]]. See [[UESPWiki:Patrollers|this]] for more info on patrolling edits. You don't have to be a patroller to patrol the Recent Changes.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 02:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

== OPRP ==

Hey Kalis! I’m in the middle of rewriting the project page for the OPRP and I noticed you just added yourself as a member. I was wondering if you could read through my [[User:Krusty/Sandbox6|Sandbox]] and ask the necessary questions (both the stupid and not-so-stupid ones), about the writing and checking stages of the project. What I am aiming for is simplicity (at least compared to the current project page) and an overall update so we can remove all the odd tasks that has been finished for years – and, of course, to make the project sound as fun and easy as it actually is. Let me hear your comments, please – and don’t hold back!!! --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 05:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
:Hey Krusty! Heh, I just got back from looking through Derelict Mine. No problem, I'll look over it and... ask.... questions... and stuff. :D [[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 05:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
:: I realize that some of the grammar sucks, and I need a few examples on how it is done - I'll probably just link to the last category for examples, though. :) Anyway, just provide some.... stuff... and I'll be happy! --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 05:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

== Walkthroughs ==

Hey there. Sorry, but every cave, mine or ruin needs a walkthrough - and compared to many other places, Derelict Mine is almost a labyrinth of excitement. If you feel you can't provide an interesting walkthrough, then just skip that place - but remember top take off your author tag. --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 00:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:Oh sorry about that, Krusty! I would gladly write a walkthrough if I wasn't 2,000 miles from home! XD So unfortunately I won't write any walkthroughs until (approximately) early August. I've just been copying data I gathered last week before I left. In light of that, I'll go ahead and remove my name from the tag.--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 00:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:: Haha, no need to be sorry. I'm looking forward to early August - as a matter of fact, the more dreadful the place, the easier it is to write a walkthrough and get rid of the OPRP tag. I really hope we can get all pages written before Skyrim, so please make another attempt when you get back! --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 05:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::: Just to let you know - I wrote [[Oblivion:Derelict Mine|Derelict Mine]] a few days ago, but it's still in your Sandbox and as result, the Sandbox pops up in [[:Category:Oblivion_Places_Redesign_Pages_Requiring_Checking|this category]]. Oh, and if you consider yourself a Goblin expert, please take a look [[User_talk:Legoless#Goblin_Time.21|here]]. Hope everything's good! --[[User:Krusty|Krusty]] 23:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:::: Heh, I'll empty the sandbox. Thanks, Krusty! I'll go ahead and check that goblin link out. XD And everything is great, I've just been pretty busy lately. :D [[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 13:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

== Patroller ==

If I were to nominate you for the role of [[UESPWiki:Patroller|Patroller]], would you accept? [[User:Rpeh|rpeh]] •[[User_Talk:Rpeh|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rpeh|C]]•[[Special:Emailuser/Rpeh|E]]• 21:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
:Sure! I would gladly accept. However keep in mind it may take me a while to respond; I'm currently on the road (stopped right now; using local WiFi) so it may take me a little while to accept the nomination (no more than a day).--[[User:Kalis Agea|Kalis Agea]][[User talk:Kalis Agea|Yes?]] [[Special:Contributions/Kalis Agea|Contrib]] [[Special:EmailUser/Kalis Agea|E-mail]] 05:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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