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{{Trail|Quests}}
{{Quest Header
|Giver=[[Shivering:Horkvir_Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)]] or [[Shivering:Horkvir_Bear-Arm (Mania)|Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)]] in [[Shivering:Split|Split]]
|Icon=SI-qico-General1.png
|Reward=Level Dependent Gold
|Loc=[[Shivering:Split|Split]]
|Image=SI-quest-The_Great_Divide.jpg
|ImgDesc=[[Shivering:Split|Split]] is divided
|ID=SE46
|description=Resolve the “trouble of doubles".
}}
==Quick Walkthrough==
# Speak with any citizen of [[Shivering:Split|Split]].
# Speak with either the [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)|Manic]] or the [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Demented]] Horkvir Bear-Arm.
# Kill all the Manics or all the Demented.
# Return to the surviving Horkvir Bear-Arm for your reward.
==Detailed Walkthrough==
===Double Vision===
Go to the town of [[Shivering:Split|Split]] just below the northernmost lake just below [[Shivering:Overlook Road|Overlook Road]]. The town is situated directly on the Mania/Dementia border, and has two copies of each NPC - one Manic, and one Demented. Talk with the locals, and you'll find that both sides want their opposites dead. They will each direct you to their side of Horkvir Bear-Arm for instructions, either the [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)|Manic]] or [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Demented]] version.
Since there are two Horkvirs, you can speak with either one. Do so, and they will both provide you with some backstory: a mage believed that every person had both a Manic and Demented side, and decided to experiment by casting a spell that split the two personalities. The two sides have since been constantly at odds, and both are vying for control of the town. Due to the laws of the realm, however, nobody is willing to get rid of the other side themselves since killing one's self would result in spending an eternity on the Hill of Suicides. That's where you come in. The Manic Horkvir will then ask you to kill all the Demented, and the Demented Horkvir will ask you to kill all the Manics. Eventually, though, you'll need to pick a side - talk to the appropriate Horkvir and tell him that you'll help (once you do this, the side you didn't choose will no longer talk to you).
===Cutting Excess ===
Do not kill any NPCs before you agree with one of the two Horkvirs or the quest will be failed. Travel around town and kill either all the Manics or all the Demented, depending on which Horkvir you agreed to help. Be careful, though - if you kill the wrong NPC, you'll forfeit your reward. Make sure the quest arrow is pointing at your target before you kill them; sneaking into their houses at night will also make their alignment clear. Remember that the people from Mania usually wear brighter and more vividly colored clothing than the people from Dementia. Killing any of the residents (on either side) before agreeing to assist Horkvir, or killing someone on the 'wrong' side after making your choice will result in failing the quest.
You need to kill the following in any order:
*Atrabhi ([[Shivering:Atrabhi (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Atrabhi (Dementia)|Demented]])
*Horkvir Bear-Arm ([[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Demented]])
*J'zidzo ([[Shivering:J'zidzo (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:J'zidzo (Dementia)|Demented]])
*Jastira Nanus ([[Shivering:Jastira Nanus (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Jastira Nanus (Dementia)|Demented]])
*Urul gro-Agamph ([[Shivering:Urul gro-Agamph (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Urul gro-Agamph (Dementia)|Demented]])
The killings count as murder if you're seen, so be careful. The safest bet is to sneak into the houses at night and either pickpocket a Poison Apple into the NPCs' inventory or simply sneak attack them while they sleep. However, if using [[Oblivion:Poisoned Apple|poisoned apples]], be aware that both versions of J'zidzo have a habit of picking the pockets of the other NPCs. It is possible to fail the quest because the version on your chosen side eats an apple intended for somebody else. Don't forget that you can always just cast frenzy to avoid a murder count. However you kill one of the sides, return to the surviving Horkvir for a leveled gold reward.
:{| class="wikitable"
!Level!!Amount [[Image:OBValueIcon_small.png|Cost]]
|-
|1-4||200
|-
|5-9||400
|-
|10-14||600
|-
|15-19||800
|-
|20-25||1000
|-
|26+||1200
|}
== Notes ==
* If you've already done the quest [[Shivering:Ushnar's Terror|Ushnar's Terror]], and the skinned hound you got as a reward sees you, you will get a bounty.
* Occasionally the game will glitch and give you a murder count even when you aren't seen. It is advisable to save before each attack and check your character sheet afterwards.
==Bugs==
{{Bug|It is very difficult to kill Atrabhi without getting a murder bounty, even if there are no other NPCs around. Her [[Oblivion:Responsibility|Responsibility]] score of 100 enables her to hand out bounty as if she were a guard.|USIP}}
** Killing her may require a single hit (i.e., a [[Oblivion:Sneak|backstab]]), or more subtle methods such as a [[Oblivion:Poisoned Apple|Poisoned Apple]] or [[Oblivion:Chokeberry|Chokeberry]].
** Another method is to break into her house, wake her up, and stand there until she attacks you for trespassing. You can now kill her in the brawl and you won't receive a bounty.
{{Bug|There is a bug in the reward script, and you may get as little as half the amount listed above.|USIP}}
{{Bug|There are a lot of respawning monsters in close proximity to Split. It's quite possible for a resident of Split to be killed by accident before you begin the quest. In that case, the residents will never speak to you about their "Doubles" problems and you will be unable to obtain the quest. There is, however, no warning that this has occurred unless you've already spoken to one of Split's citizens, and the bodies will disappear after a while, so you'll have no way to tell short of verifying the presence of each resident.|confirmed=1}}
**{{Pc22}} When all dead residents of Split are either Demented or Manic, you can use the console command <code>setstage SE46 10</code> to start the quest and then ''immediately'' must speak with the "right version" of Horkvir Bear-Arm (i.e. Manic when anybody of Demented residents had been killed before starting the quest or vice-versa). In this case all dead residents will be counted as your victims.
{{Bug|When you're working for the Manics and manage to kill the Demented Jastira Nanus, then there's no quest update for that, unlike for other residents. This is because the quest update checks the variable for Horkvir Bear-Arm instead.|USIP|1.5.0}}
==Journal Entries==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!colspan=4| The Great Divide (SE46)
|-
! Stage
! Finishes Quest
! Journal Entry (siding with Mania)
! Journal Entry (siding with Dementia)
|-
|10|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|A resident of Split has told me I should speak to Horkvir Bear-Arm to help solve the problem of all the doubles in this town. There are two Horkvir Bear-Arm in town, so I can speak to either one.
|-
|12|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|The Demented Horkvir Bear-Arm has suggested I kill all the Manics in town. He'll reward me if I do.
|-
|13|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|The Manic Horkvir Bear-Arm has suggested I kill all the Demented in town. He'll reward me if I do.
|-
|15|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|I've agreed to kill all of the Manics living in Split.
|-
|16|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|I've agreed to kill all of the Demented in Split.
|-
|20||
|Horkvir Bear-Arm living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Horkvir Bear-Arm living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|30||
|Jastira Nanus living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Jastira Nanus living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|40||
|J'zidzo living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|J'zidzo living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|50||
|Atrabhi living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Atrabhi living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|60||
|Urul gro-Agamph living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Urul gro-Agamph living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|70||
|All of the Demented residents of Split are dead. I should return to Horkvir Bear-Arm for my reward.
|All of the Manic residents of Split are dead. I should return to Horkvir Bear-Arm for my reward.
|-
|200||{{AL|C}}|{{Yes}}
|Since all the Demented duplicates in Split are dead, Horkvir Bear-Arm gave me my reward.
|Since all the Manic duplicates in Split are dead, Horkvir Bear-Arm gave me my reward.
|-
|rowspan=2|210||rowspan=2 {{AL|C}}|{{Yes}}
|colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|I've killed a resident of Split without reason. I will not be able to restore the balance here.
|-
|I killed one of the Manic residents of Split. I won't get rewarded for my efforts.
|I killed one of the Demented residents of Split. I won't get rewarded for my efforts.
|}
{{OB Journal Entries Notes}}
{{Trail|Quests}}
{{Quest Header
|Giver=[[Shivering:Horkvir_Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)]] or [[Shivering:Horkvir_Bear-Arm (Mania)|Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)]] in [[Shivering:Split|Split]]
|Icon=SI-qico-General1.png
|Reward=Level Dependent Gold
|Loc=[[Shivering:Split|Split]]
|Image=SI-quest-The_Great_Divide.jpg
|ImgDesc=[[Shivering:Split|Split]] is divided
|ID=SE46
|description=Resolve the “trouble of doubles".
}}
==Quick Walkthrough==
# Speak with any citizen of [[Shivering:Split|Split]].
# Speak with either the [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)|Manic]] or the [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Demented]] Horkvir Bear-Arm.
# Kill all the Manics or all the Demented.
# Return to the surviving Horkvir Bear-Arm for your reward.
==Detailed Walkthrough==
===Double Vision===
Go to the town of [[Shivering:Split|Split]] just below the northernmost lake just below [[Shivering:Overlook Road|Overlook Road]]. The town is situated directly on the Mania/Dementia border, and has two copies of each NPC - one Manic, and one Demented. Talk with the locals, and you'll find that both sides want their opposites dead. They will each direct you to their side of Horkvir Bear-Arm for instructions, either the [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)|Manic]] or [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Demented]] version.
Since there are two Horkvirs, you can speak with either one. Do so, and they will both provide you with some backstory: a mage believed that every person had both a Manic and Demented side, and decided to experiment by casting a spell that split the two personalities. The two sides have since been constantly at odds, and both are vying for control of the town. Due to the laws of the realm, however, nobody is willing to get rid of the other side themselves since killing one's self would result in spending an eternity on the Hill of Suicides. That's where you come in. The Manic Horkvir will then ask you to kill all the Demented, and the Demented Horkvir will ask you to kill all the Manics. Eventually, though, you'll need to pick a side - talk to the appropriate Horkvir and tell him that you'll help (once you do this, the side you didn't choose will no longer talk to you).
===Cutting Excess ===
Do not kill any NPCs before you agree with one of the two Horkvirs or the quest will be failed. Travel around town and kill either all the Manics or all the Demented, depending on which Horkvir you agreed to help. Be careful, though - if you kill the wrong NPC, you'll forfeit your reward. Make sure the quest arrow is pointing at your target before you kill them; sneaking into their houses at night will also make their alignment clear. Remember that the people from Mania usually wear brighter and more vividly colored clothing than the people from Dementia. Killing any of the residents (on either side) before agreeing to assist Horkvir, or killing someone on the 'wrong' side after making your choice will result in failing the quest.
You need to kill the following in any order:
*Atrabhi ([[Shivering:Atrabhi (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Atrabhi (Dementia)|Demented]])
*Horkvir Bear-Arm ([[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Horkvir Bear-Arm (Dementia)|Demented]])
*J'zidzo ([[Shivering:J'zidzo (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:J'zidzo (Dementia)|Demented]])
*Jastira Nanus ([[Shivering:Jastira Nanus (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Jastira Nanus (Dementia)|Demented]])
*Urul gro-Agamph ([[Shivering:Urul gro-Agamph (Mania)|Manic]], [[Shivering:Urul gro-Agamph (Dementia)|Demented]])
The killings count as murder if you're seen, so be careful. The safest bet is to sneak into the houses at night and either pickpocket a Poison Apple into the NPCs' inventory or simply sneak attack them while they sleep. However, if using [[Oblivion:Poisoned Apple|poisoned apples]], be aware that both versions of J'zidzo have a habit of picking the pockets of the other NPCs. It is possible to fail the quest because the version on your chosen side eats an apple intended for somebody else. Don't forget that you can always just cast frenzy to avoid a murder count. However you kill one of the sides, return to the surviving Horkvir for a leveled gold reward.
:{| class="wikitable"
!Level!!Amount [[Image:OBValueIcon_small.png|Cost]]
|-
|1-4||200
|-
|5-9||400
|-
|10-14||600
|-
|15-19||800
|-
|20-25||1000
|-
|26+||1200
|}
== Notes ==
* If you've already done the quest [[Shivering:Ushnar's Terror|Ushnar's Terror]], and the skinned hound you got as a reward sees you, you will get a bounty.
* Occasionally the game will glitch and give you a murder count even when you aren't seen. It is advisable to save before each attack and check your character sheet afterwards.
==Bugs==
{{Bug|It is very difficult to kill Atrabhi without getting a murder bounty, even if there are no other NPCs around. Her [[Oblivion:Responsibility|Responsibility]] score of 100 enables her to hand out bounty as if she were a guard.|USIP}}
** Killing her may require a single hit (i.e., a [[Oblivion:Sneak|backstab]]), or more subtle methods such as a [[Oblivion:Poisoned Apple|Poisoned Apple]] or [[Oblivion:Chokeberry|Chokeberry]].
** Another method is to break into her house, wake her up, and stand there until she attacks you for trespassing. You can now kill her in the brawl and you won't receive a bounty.
{{Bug|There is a bug in the reward script, and you may get as little as half the amount listed above.|USIP}}
{{Bug|There are a lot of respawning monsters in close proximity to Split. It's quite possible for a resident of Split to be killed by accident before you begin the quest. In that case, the residents will never speak to you about their "Doubles" problems and you will be unable to obtain the quest. There is, however, no warning that this has occurred unless you've already spoken to one of Split's citizens, and the bodies will disappear after a while, so you'll have no way to tell short of verifying the presence of each resident.|confirmed=1}}
**{{Pc22}} When all dead residents of Split are either Demented or Manic, you can use the console command <code>setstage SE46 10</code> to start the quest and then ''immediately'' must speak with the "right version" of Horkvir Bear-Arm (i.e. Manic when anybody of Demented residents had been killed before starting the quest or vice-versa). In this case all dead residents will be counted as your victims.
{{Bug|When you're working for the Manics and manage to kill the Demented Jastira Nanus, then there's no quest update for that, unlike for other residents. This is because the quest update checks the variable for Horkvir Bear-Arm instead.|USIP|1.5.0}}
==Journal Entries==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!colspan=4| The Great Divide (SE46)
|-
! Stage
! Finishes Quest
! Journal Entry (siding with Mania)
! Journal Entry (siding with Dementia)
|-
|10|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|A resident of Split has told me I should speak to Horkvir Bear-Arm to help solve the problem of all the doubles in this town. There are two Horkvir Bear-Arm in town, so I can speak to either one.
|-
|12|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|The Demented Horkvir Bear-Arm has suggested I kill all the Manics in town. He'll reward me if I do.
|-
|13|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|The Manic Horkvir Bear-Arm has suggested I kill all the Demented in town. He'll reward me if I do.
|-
|15|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|I've agreed to kill all of the Manics living in Split.
|-
|16|| ||colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|I've agreed to kill all of the Demented in Split.
|-
|20||
|Horkvir Bear-Arm living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Horkvir Bear-Arm living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|30||
|Jastira Nanus living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Jastira Nanus living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|40||
|J'zidzo living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|J'zidzo living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|50||
|Atrabhi living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Atrabhi living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|60||
|Urul gro-Agamph living on the Dementia side of Split is dead.
|Urul gro-Agamph living on the Mania side of Split is dead.
|-
|70||
|All of the Demented residents of Split are dead. I should return to Horkvir Bear-Arm for my reward.
|All of the Manic residents of Split are dead. I should return to Horkvir Bear-Arm for my reward.
|-
|200||{{AL|C}}|{{Yes}}
|Since all the Demented duplicates in Split are dead, Horkvir Bear-Arm gave me my reward.
|Since all the Manic duplicates in Split are dead, Horkvir Bear-Arm gave me my reward.
|-
|rowspan=2|210||rowspan=2 {{AL|C}}|{{Yes}}
|colspan=2 {{Al|C}}|I've killed a resident of Split without reason. I will not be able to restore the balance here.
|-
|I killed one of the Manic residents of Split. I won't get rewarded for my efforts.
|I killed one of the Demented residents of Split. I won't get rewarded for my efforts.
|}
{{OB Journal Entries Notes}}